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		<title>Comment on Chinese Outbound Tourism Spendings by stevevsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevevsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kay
Thanks for creating this blog. I have been working on the visa issue with USTA and NTA. Specifically we seek to have the State Department use videoconferencing in order to localize the mandatory visa interview for Chinese visa applicants. We believe the time to address this issue is now given the unemployment crisis our country is dealing with. All of the solutions being put forth call for increasing the deficit and more appropriations. That is why we believe a huge opportunity exists to get jobs growing again without new investment, if we are simply willing to look outside our borders. International visitors represent new export revenue and new jobs. This opportunity is being lost due to our current visa process that serve to close our borders to legitimate visitors.  
There are two forms of visa denial. Direct and indirect. Direct denial is the decision by an interviewing officer to refuse granting a visa to an applicant. This figure is relatively low (5-20% depending on country). It is the indirect denial issue that we seek to raise. Indirect denials are the process barriers our system imposes that have the same impact as a direct rejection. If access to an interviewing officer is an unreasonable challenge, i.e. if a person has to travel 1000 miles to an embassy to be interviewed, indirect denial due to the access barrier is the consequence. Likewise, having to wait weeks (in the case of China this summer, reportedly over 100 days) to get an appointment time for an interview is a second form of indirect denial. This availability issue can only be solved by hiring more interviewing officers.
 
Each new officer hired, using cost accounting principles, is totally self funding. Specifically the visa application fees generated by a new hire in the course of a year can be over $3 million (100 interviews/day for 250 days X $140 visa application fee) compared to the cost of a fully deployed officer of $400,000 (GAO data). There is no need for additional Congressional appropriations. As long as demand, documented by the number of weeks of wait time for an interview appointment, exceeds supply (available interviewing officers), State directly increases its fee revenues simply by hiring. 
 
Solving the barriers of “access” and “availability” is not competing with what State refers to as “other technological and systemic innovations, such as online visa application, streamlined business visa processing, and online interview appointments”. These are not mutually exclusive. They are in fact highly complementary. 
 
We know that State “fully supports and encourages legitimate international travel to the United States”. We know that the direct denial rate “is actually quite low”. We know that the indirect denial rate, caused by access and availability barriers, is extremely high. Specifically we presume these barriers explain why the percentage of citizens from visa waiver countries entering the US is 27 times greater than the percentage of citizens from non-visa waiver countries who visit the US. We know that these barriers can be removed without requiring new appropriations or adding to the federal deficit. New interviewing officers are self funding and offsite videoconferencing visa application centers, whether funded privately or by State, can be fully self supporting based on videoconferencing fees assessed for the convenience of “localizing” the interview process.
 
What prevents action? Presumably the same reason that the Rice/Chertoff Initiative failed. State’s concern: “The technology is viable but there are serious security matters at stake which cannot be outsourced”. We understand the interview itself cannot be outsourced and does not need to be with videoconferencing interviews. We understand from meetings with the State Department that the offsite videoconferencing visa application center would not have to be as secure as an embassy but would be expected to have a level of security equivalent to a “neighborhood bank branch”. There can be legitimate questions about remotely capturing fingerprints or other biometric date in a secure, encrypted fashion over secure data networks. We know we have the technology to address each of these issues. 
 
What appears to be lacking is the prioritization of this issue and perhaps political will. We continue to press for this matter to be addressed based on the belief that State is the gatekeeper to our economic recovery. Opening our doors to millions of fully qualified international visitors can create billions in exports and millions of new jobs. After 9/11 security trumped our economic interests. The pendulum swung too far in favor of “closing our doors”. State’s “Secure Borders and Open Doors” policy as articulated by the Rice/Chertoff Initiative was an attempt to bring the economic interests of the country back into balance with our security interests. The economic crisis and the very slow, “jobless” recovery will eventually force Congress to seek new solutions. Once the true value of an international visitor to our country is understood (25 new visitors = 1 new job) we believe both Republicans and Democrats will seek to attract new visitors in the most efficient and effective manner possible assuming our security screening process is as thorough as present.
 
Our hope is that State will be proactive in this political/educational process to include setting a goal of 5 million additional international tourists by 2015. The travel industry can help. As a member of both USTA and NTA I will gladly do my part to create the government/private industry dialog that will be essential to meet this goal. State may rightfully say growing exports is the job of the Commerce Department but State’s role as the gatekeeper of international tourist exports requires State’s direct involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay<br />
Thanks for creating this blog. I have been working on the visa issue with USTA and NTA. Specifically we seek to have the State Department use videoconferencing in order to localize the mandatory visa interview for Chinese visa applicants. We believe the time to address this issue is now given the unemployment crisis our country is dealing with. All of the solutions being put forth call for increasing the deficit and more appropriations. That is why we believe a huge opportunity exists to get jobs growing again without new investment, if we are simply willing to look outside our borders. International visitors represent new export revenue and new jobs. This opportunity is being lost due to our current visa process that serve to close our borders to legitimate visitors.<br />
There are two forms of visa denial. Direct and indirect. Direct denial is the decision by an interviewing officer to refuse granting a visa to an applicant. This figure is relatively low (5-20% depending on country). It is the indirect denial issue that we seek to raise. Indirect denials are the process barriers our system imposes that have the same impact as a direct rejection. If access to an interviewing officer is an unreasonable challenge, i.e. if a person has to travel 1000 miles to an embassy to be interviewed, indirect denial due to the access barrier is the consequence. Likewise, having to wait weeks (in the case of China this summer, reportedly over 100 days) to get an appointment time for an interview is a second form of indirect denial. This availability issue can only be solved by hiring more interviewing officers.</p>
<p>Each new officer hired, using cost accounting principles, is totally self funding. Specifically the visa application fees generated by a new hire in the course of a year can be over $3 million (100 interviews/day for 250 days X $140 visa application fee) compared to the cost of a fully deployed officer of $400,000 (GAO data). There is no need for additional Congressional appropriations. As long as demand, documented by the number of weeks of wait time for an interview appointment, exceeds supply (available interviewing officers), State directly increases its fee revenues simply by hiring. </p>
<p>Solving the barriers of “access” and “availability” is not competing with what State refers to as “other technological and systemic innovations, such as online visa application, streamlined business visa processing, and online interview appointments”. These are not mutually exclusive. They are in fact highly complementary. </p>
<p>We know that State “fully supports and encourages legitimate international travel to the United States”. We know that the direct denial rate “is actually quite low”. We know that the indirect denial rate, caused by access and availability barriers, is extremely high. Specifically we presume these barriers explain why the percentage of citizens from visa waiver countries entering the US is 27 times greater than the percentage of citizens from non-visa waiver countries who visit the US. We know that these barriers can be removed without requiring new appropriations or adding to the federal deficit. New interviewing officers are self funding and offsite videoconferencing visa application centers, whether funded privately or by State, can be fully self supporting based on videoconferencing fees assessed for the convenience of “localizing” the interview process.</p>
<p>What prevents action? Presumably the same reason that the Rice/Chertoff Initiative failed. State’s concern: “The technology is viable but there are serious security matters at stake which cannot be outsourced”. We understand the interview itself cannot be outsourced and does not need to be with videoconferencing interviews. We understand from meetings with the State Department that the offsite videoconferencing visa application center would not have to be as secure as an embassy but would be expected to have a level of security equivalent to a “neighborhood bank branch”. There can be legitimate questions about remotely capturing fingerprints or other biometric date in a secure, encrypted fashion over secure data networks. We know we have the technology to address each of these issues. </p>
<p>What appears to be lacking is the prioritization of this issue and perhaps political will. We continue to press for this matter to be addressed based on the belief that State is the gatekeeper to our economic recovery. Opening our doors to millions of fully qualified international visitors can create billions in exports and millions of new jobs. After 9/11 security trumped our economic interests. The pendulum swung too far in favor of “closing our doors”. State’s “Secure Borders and Open Doors” policy as articulated by the Rice/Chertoff Initiative was an attempt to bring the economic interests of the country back into balance with our security interests. The economic crisis and the very slow, “jobless” recovery will eventually force Congress to seek new solutions. Once the true value of an international visitor to our country is understood (25 new visitors = 1 new job) we believe both Republicans and Democrats will seek to attract new visitors in the most efficient and effective manner possible assuming our security screening process is as thorough as present.</p>
<p>Our hope is that State will be proactive in this political/educational process to include setting a goal of 5 million additional international tourists by 2015. The travel industry can help. As a member of both USTA and NTA I will gladly do my part to create the government/private industry dialog that will be essential to meet this goal. State may rightfully say growing exports is the job of the Commerce Department but State’s role as the gatekeeper of international tourist exports requires State’s direct involvement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CNTA announced first tour group to USA in June 2008 by Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-outbound-tourism/cnta-announced-first-tour-group-to-usa-in-june-2008#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This first tour in the US was very interesting, and many US tourism professionals were surprised by the amount of spending by Chinese tourists. The Chinese tourists stormed into a Louis Vuitton Shop and have bought, for some of them, more than ten bags ! 
The US have to face now a big issue, because the US tourism structures are not ready to welcome Chinese tourists, because of the lack of knowledge of the intercultural issues. What do the Chinese tourists really want ? What do they like to eat ? What do they like to do ? ATME (Associaton of Travel Marketing Executives) organized in February 2009 a very interesting think tank about the Chinese outbound tourism in cooperation with China Elite Focus and our Managing Partner, Mr Pierre Gervois, one of the best experts about Chinese outbound tourists, made a conference about these intercultural issues for the US tourism operators. The biggest issue is to understand that the Chinese tourists do not think like westerners at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This first tour in the US was very interesting, and many US tourism professionals were surprised by the amount of spending by Chinese tourists. The Chinese tourists stormed into a Louis Vuitton Shop and have bought, for some of them, more than ten bags !<br />
The US have to face now a big issue, because the US tourism structures are not ready to welcome Chinese tourists, because of the lack of knowledge of the intercultural issues. What do the Chinese tourists really want ? What do they like to eat ? What do they like to do ? ATME (Associaton of Travel Marketing Executives) organized in February 2009 a very interesting think tank about the Chinese outbound tourism in cooperation with China Elite Focus and our Managing Partner, Mr Pierre Gervois, one of the best experts about Chinese outbound tourists, made a conference about these intercultural issues for the US tourism operators. The biggest issue is to understand that the Chinese tourists do not think like westerners at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tour operators in China by Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-outbound-tourism/tour-operators-in-china#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Chinese travel agency do not have a full agreement to send Chinese tourists abroad, but do it anyway. It is very difficult to select the good ones because you can never know...
The so called &quot;official lists&quot; of Chinese outbound travel agencies are not very reliable and must be checked very closely. China Elite Focus has spend a lot of time to identify the really good  Chinese travel agencies able to offer a very good service for their Chinese customers. There are maybe 20 good agencies for all China, not more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Chinese travel agency do not have a full agreement to send Chinese tourists abroad, but do it anyway. It is very difficult to select the good ones because you can never know&#8230;<br />
The so called &#8220;official lists&#8221; of Chinese outbound travel agencies are not very reliable and must be checked very closely. China Elite Focus has spend a lot of time to identify the really good  Chinese travel agencies able to offer a very good service for their Chinese customers. There are maybe 20 good agencies for all China, not more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chinese Outbound Tourism Spendings by Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-outbound-tourism/chinese-outbound-tourism-spendings#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this amount is true, and maybe underestimated. Our agency China Elite Focus has conducted research, and we have found that the average spending of outbound Chinese tourists in the United States was between 5,000 USD and 10,000 USD. Some rich Chinese tourists spend more that 100,000 USD per person in luxury shopping. The reason is because Chinese tourists buy luxury goods for all their family and friends, so they receive money on their credit card before they travel, and have lists of products to buy (3 or 4 Louis Vuitton bags, Rolex for all the family !!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this amount is true, and maybe underestimated. Our agency China Elite Focus has conducted research, and we have found that the average spending of outbound Chinese tourists in the United States was between 5,000 USD and 10,000 USD. Some rich Chinese tourists spend more that 100,000 USD per person in luxury shopping. The reason is because Chinese tourists buy luxury goods for all their family and friends, so they receive money on their credit card before they travel, and have lists of products to buy (3 or 4 Louis Vuitton bags, Rolex for all the family !!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tourism in China by Nico Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-inbound-tourism/tourism-in-china#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone a hint were I can find statistics about domestic travelers in china by purpose (i.e. I need the amount of business travellers)?
Thanks in advance
Nicolas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone a hint were I can find statistics about domestic travelers in china by purpose (i.e. I need the amount of business travellers)?<br />
Thanks in advance<br />
Nicolas</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chinese Outbound Tourism Spendings by Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How may I help you?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chinese Outbound Tourism Spendings by cepy</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-outbound-tourism/chinese-outbound-tourism-spendings#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>cepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to join with you</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tour operators in China by London Sightseeing Tours</title>
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		<dc:creator>London Sightseeing Tours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested in more information about this also. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in more information about this also. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on CNTA announced first tour group to USA in June 2008 by Angela Tarulli</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/china-outbound-tourism/cnta-announced-first-tour-group-to-usa-in-june-2008#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela Tarulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our K-8 elementary school is holding an international Travel Fair in Mid-June for our multi-cultural students. If possible, please send me Wall Posters of China and any other materials to display. Thank you.

Angela Tarulli
2255 Benson Avenue - 1D
Brooklyn, NY 11214</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our K-8 elementary school is holding an international Travel Fair in Mid-June for our multi-cultural students. If possible, please send me Wall Posters of China and any other materials to display. Thank you.</p>
<p>Angela Tarulli<br />
2255 Benson Avenue &#8211; 1D<br />
Brooklyn, NY 11214</p>
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		<title>Comment on China domestic travel market is opening by Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.tourism-china.net/domestic-tourism-china/china-domestic-travel-market-is-opening#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning.
This is a great website. I am finding it very difficult to locate information on obtaining travel agent licence in China, for outbound travel. Could anyone help ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning.<br />
This is a great website. I am finding it very difficult to locate information on obtaining travel agent licence in China, for outbound travel. Could anyone help ?</p>
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